Why the 2015 Net Neutrality Laws Were Wrong

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  1. Termer
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    It's all hypothetical as of now. Only time will tell. I'm going to try to keep an open mind, but if I see bad stuff happening, I will call for net neutrality again. This has been a good and enlightening debate.
     
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    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

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    We have an unqualified man for president and a credibly accused child molester lost a Senate seat by 1% of the vote
     
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    I got you fam, 2018 and 2020 Blue Wave. Lotsa damage done before then but hopefully it'll be reversed quickly.
     
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    But bad stuff was happening, and many law suits were happening, which is why we even went to Title 2 in the first place. So its not all hypothetical.
    Many IPS's have broken NN rules multiple times thoughout the years prior to 2015.
     
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    WeedZ Possibly an Enlightened Being

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    I hope so. There's no reason to wait and see. We're reverting back to the old policy. We've seen what they do. Ever hear the old proverb "those that don't learn from the past.." or "trying the same thing expecting different results.."? I feel like it's common sense that we don't go back to when startup companies were being crushed by isp's, what's the payoff? Where's the why? I want my why
     
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    The problem is you are not clear with examples. You keep saying the government will have control and censor. But no clear examples. And you cutting this off so quick would be hard to get what you mean.

    But as I said in my second post, government can't censor. Since the Internet does not go through them. Everything does not go through the FCC. They only say you can't block or throttle. Its discussed in the 2015 Title 2 document. The whole reason why people are for the repeal is because of an assumption that government has power to control and censor, but they don't. If a website is blocked then would be against the NN rules. ISP's are the ones doing blocking and censoring, that was happening under title 1. So you would rather let IPS's have power to block then have the government block (which government have no power to block under title 2 anyway.)

    Not only that but your also saying that its hypotheticals of what ISP's will do. But what your saying of what the government will do is also a hypothetical. The difference is ISP's breaking NN actually happened. And government are prevented from doing those hypotheticals as outlined in the 2015 document.
     
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    In your fantasy world, the government can't censor anything secretly under Title I? That's... a mindset.
     
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    I just remembered that in Switzerland, we had a situation 17 years ago where a telecom company (Swisscom), which had a deal with the government (basically they participated in the development of telecommunication network in the whole country), was in a complete monopoly situation. There was like 2 other mobile operators, but since the first operator pretty much owned part of the network, they made sure that they had the best coverage and speed,eand they also made sure that they were the only ISP, even if it wasn't allowed by the government. And without the government's regulations we would be in the same situation. But on another hand, all the other ISP still have crappy speeds, because they can't afford the infrastructure. So we have a choice, but only if you don't care about speed or after sales service... My advice : let's see what happens, because both situations can be crappy.
     
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    u are wrong
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    Yeah I pay $59AUD (45.33USD) for unlimited on ADSL2+. What do people pay there?
     
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    Great!
    And so, answer to the question?
     
  12. Nightwish

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    And yet, the undesirable content is going away at the hands of corporations who merge content with distribution. Youtube is a fucking mess this days, for one, with shit disappearing every day (even old shit) because some algorithm said so and was completely wrong.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...o-replace-some-but-not-all-of-the-fccs-rules/

    Oh look, SOPA/PIPA style legislation has appeared.

    tl;dr This allows for paid prioritization, prevents further classification under title 2 and tries to kill off individual states rights to enforce their own net neutrality.

    “prohibit blocking of lawful content, applications, services, and non-harmful devices, [and] prohibit impairment or degradation of lawful Internet traffic.”

    This is also worded in such a way it can kill Youtube or Twitch in a heartbeat, even Google really.
     
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  14. McWhiters9511

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    doesnt mean that we all like it
     
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    I know, I'm just saying that clearly roughly half of our population are either idiots or sympathize with idiots
     
  16. McWhiters9511

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    and its freaking hilarious imo
    ok and what percent of america doesnt vote i bet changing that could make for some really interesting future elections
     
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    Yeeeeeaaaaaah...

    Right up until it directly affects your life
     
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    mhm. its a pain for a president to do much of anything especially when most of his cabinet hates him lol so im not very worried
     
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    What about the ones who are unable to vote because of voter suppression? Took me 3 and half hours to get my "Voter" ID last time because no one... and I mean no one.. knew how to get me one, and even told me I had to pay for a normal ID didn't get a free ID. When I pointed out the regulation on my phone, they then whined that if I had a phone... I should be able to pay for an ID. Told them it didn't matter... I was un-employed and could not pay for state ID and I am required by law to be given a free ID. I shudder to think how many people walked out when they were told they had to pay for regular ID.

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    They are in the middle of passing a bill that gives him a huge tax cut and increases the taxes of the middle/low class...
     
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    They seem to be having a field day on kicking us while we are down. There are so many people that needs to be voted out or leave their position.
     
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