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Discussion in 'World News, Current Events & Politics' started by Xzi, Jan 11, 2018.
Sanders promised us the sky, without a way to actually reach it. I'm glad Sanders lost.
I would’ve voted for Bernie. Oddly enough I would’ve voted for Ron Paul too lol.
You're kidding, right? Trump promised everything in his campaign, including universal healthcare. The big difference is that Trump is a fake populist where Sanders is a real one. Trump doesn't intend to keep any of his campaign promises. There's no way that the wall gets funded, either.
Campaigns are literally nothing more than "VOTE FOR ME I AGREE WITH YOU." Believing anything they say is ridiculous. You are precisely why I'm glad Bernie lost.
Nobody is half the liar that Trump is, sorry. Trump lies sometimes literally for no reason, or even when the facts are easily verifiable. The "both sides are the same" argument is more bullshit in 2018 than it ever has been before, obviously Trump supporters didn't believe that about Clinton.
The irony is that Sanders probably would've delivered on a lot more of Trump's campaign promises than Trump will.
The Red Cross actually was VERY quick on getting the relief money out during Harvey. They however, did have so much traffic their website was dead for a week. When it did come back up though, they did good. In terms of shelter help, they were always down at the George R Brown center giving out cans of food, cots for the elderly, and donations. A LOT of people, however, do not have the same experience as me, so perhaps there was something else that I missed in regards to the Red Cross. FEMA was the real MVP, though, for Harvey victims. In a whole, I was very lucky and had a lot of help from the government (and GBAtemp!) and I think they did a spectacular job for relief efforts for most of Houston TX.
What part of "campaign promises are not worth taking at face value" did you get "trump is actually better than everyone" from? You did this in the net neutrality threads too, anytime I'd say something, because you apparently absolutely MUST disagree with me you'll say some shit that isn't even related to what I said just to be contrarian.
I was just framing the argument in a different way, I didn't say he was better than everyone, or that you said that. Though I still feel there's a distinction to be made between previous presidents who attempted but failed to live up to some of their campaign promises, versus Trump who knew he was never even going to attempt to live up to them in the first place.
Worth noting that infrastructure was big for both Bernie and Trump during the campaign, but Trump only recently killed his plan for infrastructure maintenance and repair.
Little early to make those kind of statements, especially when Politifact has pages notating the status of all of his promises.
This of course not counting the ones in the works or listed as "compromise," both in part because;
>in the works
because they obviously aren't done yet
because they fall into two cases of either "he said this and did it while doing something else so it's a compromise" or it's a legitimate compromise.
Your blind trump hate is so fucking hilarious
Why don’t you like the tax reform package? That’s one of the few things I like personally. Percentage-wise, 15k to 60k gets more tax relief than seen in yeeeeeaaars. Plus the corporate tax reduction should help us compete on a global scale.
I dislike it on a more personal reason because my significant other's parents are being hit with higher rates than they deserve because of some weird technicality. I'll have to check in with them on what exactly the issue is. I brought that up however as it's something people discuss more as reasons to dislike Trump than "duhhh buzzfeed told me that uhhhhhh trump make girls do the pee pee on bed!!!!"
This thread almost derailed at some point but I see we've managed to remain civil. Good.
@Memoir please avoid calling people retards or things like this.
If you think people are retards because you disagree with them, instead of insulting them try to understand their point of view. Once you understand it, you can better contradict them.
Obama could only do that if there was a teleprompter and a speech made by someone else that went through 30 pc officers beforehand to make sure nobody gets offended.
Thats why people like trump, he just goes out and talks without teleprompters and speaks whats on his mind, heart to heart unfilitered, not premade speeches, and doesnt care if people get offended by it.
and winners and losers of debates are subjective, of course hard core liberals will say she won all debates
imo she took the first but trump really hit her hard in the second and third debate
"Winner of debate" doesn't mean anything anyways, it's basically "who said what I agree with the most" to which every idiot is going to pick their candidate on. They state their stances, and people decide to vote for them based on that.
As for Trump as a speaker, I think he probably uses a teleprompter, but it isn't necessarily a bad thing. I do definitely believe he writes his own speeches though, it's got this ridiculous level of crassness that I think no writer would ever let slip out of the white house, and I respect that. May not like the guy, or his attitude, but I gotta give him credit for saying shit for himself.
Looks like they need to update, the last of the Carrier plant employees lost their jobs not long ago and the plant was shuttered. Everything else you listed was simple executive order, it can be undone as easily as it was done. I'd also question much of it as "accomplishments." At best they're neutral moves, at worst they hurt America going forward. Not to mention how the list of unkept promises is at least twice as long. Here's the complete list for anyone curious: http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/trumpometer/browse/?page=1
(I stopped counting when I neared 100 unfulfilled promises versus your six or so fulfilled.)
He sure does, and most of what comes out is either racism or ignorance about the way government works. Here's today's quote about how much of a "shithole" non-white countries are:
This really isn't any different from the Southern Strategy that Republicans have used for decades. Nor is it any different from the "guy I'd like to have a beer with" argument of the GWB years. We all know how well that ended. Unfortunately America has the memory of a goldfish.
Again you're wrong. Sanders actually provided details on his programs and how he was going to pay for them. Trump promised a lot of the same stuff (also a wall made of wasted taxpayer dollars), but provided no details whatsoever. It really is sad how easily Americans are duped. Trump's corporate tax cut money alone would've paid for all of Sanders' programs, FFS.
I should have been more clear in my statement.. I was trying to highlight that partisanship lead to an inexperienced potentially corrupt candidate to take over the executive branch, and it allowed like minded people to take over the legislative/judicial branch. Partisanship overrides the fact that most people are not hard-lined conservatives or liberals and it defies what the founding fathers had in mind (then again they didn't account for many of today's social/political issues). I would say that partisanship, especially a 2 party system, is a real problem in America's politics. I'm not validating the actions of any party or group, but I am trying to say that critical thinking should supersede partisan ideology.
Ahh, Got ya, sorry for the mis-understanding what you meant.
I just want to say that I don't care in the slightest about Trump being a Republican. I do'nt even care if he's racist or something like that. Really. I would've taken 16 years of Ted Cruz over 6 months of Trump. Trump himself does not have the intellectual level needed to be a President of any Nation on the world. I actually think Kim Jong-Un is smarter.
The faults of democracy...
And the manipulation of people. It's like Hitler said.
"If you make a lie simple, and repeat it many times, people will
And you're basing that on...what again?
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I love that the children (or in x[na]zi's case, manchildren) compare someone worse than Trump to Trump in a positive light as some kind of sick burn to Trump. Don't you desperate losers have anything better to do but moan about Trump all day?